President al-Assad to Rai News 24 Italy:we focus today on getting rid of the terrorists and their ideology, and we're going to make Syria  much better than it was before the crisis..
President al-Assad to Rai News 24 Italy:we focus today on getting rid of the terrorists and their ideology, and we're going to make Syria much better than it was before the crisis..
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Mr. President .. Thank you to receive us .. It is a very important moment as the Security Council of the United Nations has unanimously approved a resolution asking Syria to remove all its chemical weapons .. will you abide by this decision ?

President al-Assad ..

We joined the Treaty for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons this resolution .. The main part of the Russian initiative is based on our will to do so .. If .. It's not about the decision , but our will we .. Of course, we have the will to do so because in 2003  We made a proposal to the Security Council to evacuate entire Middle East of chemical weapons .. We will abide , of course .. Because our history shows our commitment to each Treaty we signed.

Without any restrictions at all ...

President al-Assad ..

According to all the terms of the Treaty  we don't have any reservation .. Therefore we decided to accede the Treaty ..

How do you think you will organize  this dismantling  process , because it is a very complex process ...

President al-Assad ..

This question should be directed to the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons , because our role is limited to provide data and facilitating their actions , and this is available yet .. But I think the issue here is related to the technical aspect of the implementation process .. How to reach those places .. Especially when there are terrorists putting  obstacles in the way.. And then how to dismantle these materials and disposal.

Let me guess here .. This means that you will organize and protect them .. Because security is a very important issue here in Syria ...

President al-Assad ..

Of course .. This is self - evident .

Mr. President .. Let's look forward to try to understand what is going to happen in Syria in the days and weeks and months ahead .. Attack on Syria .. which was imminent several weeks ago .. Is less likely now.. How will you work during the coming period ... What is the road map that you have personally create ...

President al-Assad ..

For what ...

Political activities .. I mean how  will you organize this time ...

President al-Assad ..

Since the beginning of the crisis .. We called for the political activity or political solution .. Call it what you want .. which Is a very important part of the crisis .. But when there is terrorism .. You can't expect to lead a political solution to resolve all the problems .. However ..  we should continue in politics .. it's about Syrain meeting  around the table to discuss the political system that they want and the future of Syria .. And all agree it will be submitted to a referendum for approval of the Syrian people in respect of any part of the future of Syria .. Whether the Constitution or laws or anything else .. This is what we are doing since the beginning of the crisis .. This is the same work that we will continue to do in the meantime.

we will return later to the beginning of the crisis .. But to discuss this point. .. This means that you  will discuss these things with the opposition as well .. Even with the armed opposition ...

President al-Assad ..

No ..  we don't call the armed  as opposition.. But terrorists .. Opposition is political entity .. Political program .. And political vision .. This is the opposition. If there are weapons of mass destruction , murder and assassination .. This is not opposition. This is called terrorism all over the world and in all countries. If .. We can hold discussions with each party in the opposition .. With regard to the insurgency .. If they have given up their weapons .. We will be prepared to discuss anything with them just like all other citizens .

We are approaching the conference / GENEVA 2 /  because  Ban Ki - moon , Secretary - General of the United Nations will probably hold the conference in November .. Do you plan to attend the conference in person ...

President al-Assad ..

This depends on the framework of the Geneva Conference .. Because the conference is still not clear yet .. Any type of Conferences is ... Will be attended by ... the criteria governing this conference ... Therefore we have to be prepared as a government .. But we cannot determine who will lead the delegation before clearing  standards governing him .

If .. Let me ask you .. What is the framework which would  persuade you  to present ...

President al-Assad ..

As I said .. any political party can attend the conference .. But we cannot talk .. For example .. organizations belonging to al_Qaeeda.. Or to terrorists .. We cannot do that .. We cannot negotiate with people asking for outside interference and military intervention in Syria.

Did I mention Qatar , Saudi Arabia ...

President al-Assad ..

Let me be frank with you .. These countries are  subordinate.. I'm talking here about the states .. If we are talking about countries .. These countries are subsidiary and its master is the United States .. We all know it .. And so on .. If the United States attended ..  subordinating Countries is a mere formality .. If we want to talk about the Syrian parties , regardless of their names .. I'm talking about their behavior during the crisis .. This is what we discussed .. I mean the behavior of these parties.

As the situation on the ground is very complex .. Can you also accept the idea of ​​having some of the international forces woking between Syrian troops on the ground to try to stabilize somehow ...

President al-Assad ..

This will not be practical .. Do not talk about the two countries in a state of war .. Such as Syria and Israel, for example .. Where there is a clear front line .. And where there can be forces of the United Nations on both sides of the border .. Or on the armistice line .. It is completely different .. Here we are talking about gangs found everywhere in Syria and within any city where there is no fronts or clear lines .. If .. Even if we assume that we will accept such an idea .. It is not acceptable for us .. But even if we accept .. Where can I put those forces ... One can not draw a map of it .. There will be a need for a clear and map .. This map does not exist .. There are gangs coming from everywhere .. These bands are made ​​up of terrorists , we should fight them and not isolating them from the Syrian forces.

We were talking about / Geneva 2 /  and I was thinking in Europe and Italy 's role in such a process .. Do you see any role for Italy in this ...

President al-Assad ..

Let me be very daring and frankness here .. If we want to discuss the role of Italy .. We have to see it in the light of the European role .. Is Italy independent  from European role ... If it were not .. Of leading European role ... We also discuss the relationship between the EU and the role of the United States .. Is Europe independent of the United States in terms of policies and political practices today ... I have heard from many European officials that they are convinced of what we say .. But they can not announce it .. This is not the first time .. And not through this crisis.. Consideration should be given to any role in the light of two things .. I. .. The credibility of that role and secondly .. Relationship with that person or country government or other parties.. The reality today says that most European countries have adopted the American approach in dealing with different countries since George W. Bush's office received more than ten years .. When they have a problem or dispute with any country .. Cut all kinds of relations .. If you want to play the role .. How this can play the role if you do not have relations ... How can you build credibility when you do not have relationships .. With regard to credibility .. How can you talk about the credibility of any European country now when they are talking about humanitarian aid while they imposed the worst siege in Syria since independence ... Many things should be discussed  before playing a role .. We welcome any role .. We support any country that wishes to help Syrians in their endeavors . But you can not play a role when the request is not a basis available for that role .. And so on .. Frankly .. Most European countries today do not have the ability to play that role because they do not possess the various factors that enable them to succeed and to be efficient and effective in playing that role.

But it seems that things are changing rapidly these days .. Because we heard about the phone call that took place between President Barack Obama and Iranian President Hassan Rohani .. It seems that balance is changing in the region in some way .. Wouldn't  it  affect what happens in Syria ...

President al-Assad ..

I think that this will have a positive impact on what is happening in Syria for several reasons .. I. .. Iran's ally, Syria, and secondly .. Because we trust the Iranians and thirdly .. Iranians .. like Syrian and like any other country in the world .. Do not trust the Americans .. I believe that many of America 's allies do not trust the American administrations .. The approach of Iranian Americans isn't just naive moved .. it's carefully based on the experience of the Iranians with the United States since the Iranian Revolution in 1979 , But if the Americans are honest in this convergence .. I think that the results would be positive regarding  various issues and not just the Syrian crisis .. This translates to every problem in the region.

You know that the day in which the crisis occurred .. The attack was imminent .. An important step was taken by the Pope Francis against the war .. Now .. Speaking to the Christian minority .. I found they were all very scared .. What will be the position of minorities ..  like Christians .. During the next few years ...

President al-Assad ..

Syria is a melting pot comprising many cultures .. From centuries ago .. Pre-Christian and post-Christian .. Before and after Islam .. If there is any drastic change in the demographic fabric and the social fabric of the Syrian society , there will be a big problem in the future .. With regard to the future of Syria .. I can not tell now the nature of the problem because they are more complicated than anyone might think .. And it will affect other countries in the region .. Syria is a secular country .. The Syrian society is a secular society .. And secularism here means dealing with all citizens regardless of their religious affiliation or ethnic or sectarian .. If .. I think that attention to these minorities .. Especially Christians .. In light of the recent burning of churches and attacks on Christian villages and the expulsion of Christians from their homes and their homes .. In light of this .. The processing of this crisis is not the issue of Syria.. And not a regional issue.. It should be an international issue .. Especially for Europe .. And especially for Italy and the Vatican.

It was a very complex past weeks .. The escalation began with the horrific attack on August 21 .. You can go back to those accusations about chemical attack ... What are your accounts for the attack ... Because you 're talking about different evidence ... United Nations inspectors working here .. Can you tell us what happened ...

President al-Assad ..

Let me tell you briefly .. I'll start by saying that the Syrian army has not used chemical weapons at all .. The army is not set up to use chemical weapons  and there have not been any arrangements for the use of chemical weapons during the crisis .. We have all the evidence to be used by gangs .. I. .. Why did not used by the Syrian army ... Logical and realistic .. Army does not use such weapons to make progress .. Why do so ... Not used over two and a half years when he was facing very difficult situations in different parts of Syria, while there was a much larger numbers of confronting terrorists in other places .. More than it was in Damascus .. Why did not we use Them just in this place ... Secondly .. With respect to the American  account .. We say we invited the United Nations mission for investigating the use of chemical weapons in Syria before the incident .. On the day after the arrival of these allegations appeared that the Syrian army used chemical weapons . Can you believe it ... You can not believe this story .. Thirdly .. When Syria invited the mission to come to Syria last March .. Why the United States has placed obstacles in front of her arrival ... And why the United States accepted it recently ... Before the accident .. When the mission arrived at the mission that accident  happened ... Fourth .. You can not use chemical weapons in the cities where they can cause the death of tens of thousands .. Including members of the military .. The most important thing is that no one validate the videos and photos .. Did not do that one .. In many places, you see the same pictures of the same children used in different forms and in different places .. You can see these images on the Internet .. It is traded on the Internet .. On the other hand .. We have concrete evidence , such as materials and containers used by terrorists .. We have confessions of some of the terrorists who were transferring chemicals from neighboring countries .. There are also indicators related to the interests of the party that has the attack .. They indicate that the actor .. Whoever he is .. Not the Syrian army , but terrorists .. This is our account.

Is there any possibility .. Whatever little .. one inside the loop surrounding you .. Or the army .. To do so without permission and against you .. And we will see to bolt after a few months ... I do not know .. It 's a very complex crisis .. Therefore allowing ourselves to guess .

President al-Assad ..

These weapons of mass destruction .. It chemicals .. Like you say it can be for someone in a country that uses nuclear weapons without the permission of the responsible authority .. I cannot believe it .. It is naive account suitable for children .. This is not grenade put in pocket.. Even in a state of war with an enemy .. The use of chemical weapons process is very complex .. There are very strict procedures technically to activate the same material .. This I. .. Secondly .. There is no unit in the Syrian army  who has chemical weapons .. There is a specialized unit so .. If you want to use .. this unit should join the army to use chemical weapons .. If .. Again .. This is a story for children.

There is no possibility .. If .. As we go back time .. Let us return to the beginning of the crisis .. At that time .. very harshly against any manifestation of opposition .. Are you sorry the way where everything began ...

President al-Assad ..

We define cruelty here .. Because we dealt with the situation and in accordance with the Constitution .. Americans when he sent the army to Los Angeles in 1995  Is it cruel or fattening they sent an army to fight the rebels ... According to the Constitution .. We had to fight the terrorists because, since the first week of the victims took place in the ranks of the army and the police .. This happened in the first few weeks .. If .. What we did was normal and consistent with the Constitution .. It is the task of the government .. If I talked about mistakes have been made on the ground .. This happens anywhere in the world .. In Britain .. A few years ago .. Police shot and killed a young man accidentally Brasilia .. If .. That can happen anywhere .. There is a difference between public policy and practices that occur on the ground in many places in the world.

To remain on the political level .. Do not you think that you have an opportunity to do more , perhaps to change the course of events ... Even politicians can admit committing some mistakes here and there ...

President al-Assad ..

It is natural that one looks at his mistakes .. And all human beings make mistakes every day .. But how do you judge these errors ... Happen after the event and not through .. We are still the center of the crisis .. We judged that after the end of the crisis .. Then we could revise our actions .. And then people can be criticized on the basis of objective and systematic .. And not on an arbitrary basis .

Have you ever thought about leaving power for your country ... Have you thought about leaving the country if the return is get your people to peace and stability ...

President al-Assad ..

This depends on what / if / .. If the Turkish position will make things better .. My answer very simply and without any hesitation is yes .. But the question of whether the situation will be better ... This is another question .. For me .. As president .. Even now I should be in my .. Because when you're the center of the storm should not give up the ship .. Do not give up his position and leave the center of the storm .. Your task is to reach the ship to safety .. Your task is to take this country to the shore of safety .. And not to abandon the ship and the Syrian people .

What is the scenario by which it can be determined that the proper thing is to reach the ship to the shore of safety and then decide to do something different ...

President al-Assad ..

With regard to the first part .. There are two things .. As I said before .. Political dialogue is very important to discuss the future of Syria and the political system .. The second thing .. Is to stop the violence by stopping the smuggling and send terrorists from outside Syria and to stop financial support .. And stop providing them with weapons and logistical support to all forms .. This is because if we do not succeed here .. You will not succeed in the political part to solve the problem .. 20130929-165459.jpg This I. .. Secondly .. After solving this problem .. With regard to me personally .. The only way is the ballot box .. Because it is the only way that is expressed by the Syrian people for his opinion about the person who wants .. And for me .. I will comply to the desire of the Syrian people .. There is no other way in any country in the world .. This decision does not depend on any particular group in Syria .. It is the decision of every Syrian citizen .

Will you participate in the elections of 2014 ...

President al-Assad ..

If you feel .. Before the election .. That the Syrian people want me  to nominate.. If you feel that it does not wish to do so , I will not do .

As you approach the end of this interview .. I remember the beginning of your presidency .. you was then a symbol of hope for Syria .. I know the world .. And I came to realize a more modern society and open .. The youth and intellectuals look at you that way .. Then something happens between the beginning and the stage where we are now .. Do you think that there is an opportunity you can do something radically different to  be looked at again on that basis and not in the way you perceive now ...

President al-Assad ..

Should talk about the internal factors and external factors .. Because we are part of a very complex area in the world .. Therefore, we are affected , including around .. There is our daily interactions with our surroundings ... With respect to the domestic worker .. When you talk about reform ... Reform is not the president or the government reform .. The president or the government to lead reform .. But it is the community as a whole .. A matter of culture and not a matter of the Constitution and laws and resolve .. Constitution and the laws change tools .. But the real change is caused by the people themselves .. According to our reality .. When you are talking about thousands of years of civilization , customs and traditions and ethics .. There are various things characterize every community .. And our society is very complex because of the multiplicity of cultures it .. Our society was advancing forward .. You can not say that we did not do something .. Some say that it was fast .. Others say that he was too slow .. This autonomy .. And every person he sees in his own way .. But in the end .. No one can say that we stayed our place .. Because we maybe our progress slowly but surely .. This is with regard to the first part .. Secondly .. Should talk about external constraints .. When I became president .. Intifada in Palestine occurred after two months and affected in all countries of the Arab world .. The peace process has failed before he became president a few months and things reached a dead end .. Thirdly .. I got the events of September 11 and we had to pay the price .. We were one of the countries which resulted in the payment of the price .. They invaded Afghanistan .. We were against the invasion .. And then invaded Iraq .. We were against the invasion .. After a year / 2003 / after the invasion of Iraq .. Syria had to pay the price .. The blockade imposed by the Europeans and the West .. And so on .. There was period artificial reconciled .. May not be completely accurate statement .. Or rapprochement between Syria and the western world .. Especially between Europe / 2008 / /2011  / I say artificial because they were under the supervision of the Americans .. Were not real because they were not independent .. And now we have the crisis .. When talking about reform .. Especially radical reform .. You need a different atmosphere .. Should be to be a comfortable economically, politically and ideologically .. Do not forget in this regard .. That one of the external and internal factors was the invasion of the region 's bad ideology .. Including Syria .. I mean Qaeda ideology that has invaded many of the communities in our region .. Including the part of the Syrian society .. You can not talk about reform and democracy while there is a closed ideology does not accept it .. True democracy is the acceptance of the other .. Especially in a multi .. So I can say that we still have the same will to progress forward in that area .. But, according to our reality .. If .. What determines the scope of the reform is our reality.

My last question .. Now it seems that the main threat has faded , or at least decline .. What would you say to your people as a promise

President al-Assad ..

I think the only thing that I can say now is that it leaves us with only one option which is to defend our country .. First we have to focus on getting rid of the terrorists .. And intimidate them and their ideology . Secondly .. Even if we passed this crisis .. There are a lot of things that we have to handle after the crisis .. What this crisis will leave .. Especially the ideological and psychological consequences and social development in this community .. If .. We have a lot of work .. But I can say with confidence that we can make Syria much better than it was before the crisis.

Even for reforms that people have been demanding it ...

President al-Assad ..

Of course .. We need reforms and we can not achieve anything without them .. But .. Reform is an important part of what I'm talking about .. It is the main axis to make Syria better .. This is certain .. But .. In this regard .. It does not mean that I am  the hope  of foreign countries or western .. I could be hope for the Syrians, and not any other.

.. I wish you all the best .. Thank you very much, Mr. President, for giving us this time and for hosting us here.

President al-Assad ..

Thank you for coming to Syria.


 

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